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W0lf Crendraven
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Posted - 2016.12.22 17:47:03 -
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T3ds have nothing to do with AFs, Afs, sucked pre t3ds too. The reason AFs suck is cause they have the mobility of a t1 cruiser with bad performance stats while having no range.
But they are an extremely boring ship class so they are fine being obsolete. |
W0lf Crendraven
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Posted - 2016.12.22 18:08:38 -
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baltec1 wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:T3ds have nothing to do with AFs, Afs, sucked pre t3ds too. The reason AFs suck is cause they have the mobility of a t1 cruiser with bad performance stats while having no range.
But they are an extremely boring ship class so they are fine being obsolete. AF were heavily used before t3d came around, to the point where they were an effective and much loved fleet doctrine. Pre T3D you could find many whine threads from people getting popped by the likes of the ishkur and the vengeance was a well known damage sponge. T3D have invalidated a lot of ship classes from t1 frigates right up the the stabber.
Nope, pre t3d people flew dictors or pirate/faction frigates. The AF has been dead before t3ds were even there. Afs dont kite, afs arent fast enough to catch kiters, afs arent strong/small enough to outbrawl other brawlers, in a kiting meta that means no one ever uses the ships.
And t3ds havnt invalidated anything as such, the stabber in particular got a giant buff during svipul online days as it was one of the ships that killed t3ds for free (dual med neut brawling one). |
W0lf Crendraven
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Posted - 2016.12.22 19:09:27 -
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baltec1 wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Nope, pre t3d people flew dictors or pirate/faction frigates. The AF has been dead before t3ds were even there. Afs dont kite, afs arent fast enough to catch kiters, afs arent strong/small enough to outbrawl other brawlers, in a kiting meta that means no one ever uses the ships.
So the few years where I had to adapt my megathon to fly in harpy fleet while they ripped other, far heavier fleets didn't happen? The dual MASB hawk and god tank vengeance were never complained about in FW? the Enyo didn't hit things like a hand grenade? W0lf Crendraven wrote:
And t3ds havnt invalidated anything as such, the stabber in particular got a giant buff during svipul online days as it was one of the ships that killed t3ds for free (dual med neut brawling one).
Stabber is out classed by the svipul even after the nerf. Hell, thanks to the added e-war resistance the only small ships that could mess with them have been neutered so there is nothing at or below destroyers than can compete now.
Harpy fleets were a thing yes, but neither the hawk (after the asb nerf), the vengeance nor the enyo were ever considered that great, they did well when the only other thing that could enter a small was a t2 dessie, which pre dictor buffs were horrible. There was a short peroid of time when the AF was good, but then the cruiser buff happened - which took away the ability to easily beat cruisers, hmls got nerfed into the ground which killed the missile matchups (cause people were forced to use assault missiles/rlmls) and other ships were buffed within the small meta. A dictor will eat a AF alive, the comet beats most, as does the slicer and so on.
And lets not forget the double damp lml spam meta that covered a long time pre t3d where afs were totally ****.
Even CDs are massively superior to AFs (well to be fair, they are extremely OP, but solo pvpers dont all have link skills yet). |
W0lf Crendraven
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Posted - 2016.12.22 22:44:35 -
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Have you actually played in fw space recently? T1 dessies beeing invalidated, are you serious? Have you flown AFs in lowsec pre t3ds? They were garbage. |
W0lf Crendraven
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Posted - 2016.12.24 01:41:56 -
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Fair enough, AFs survived a bit longer in nullsec because dictors there are total shitfit (cause they carry a bubble and arent flying as t2 dessies) and as all fights happen at gates or stations you can get away from kiters - both of which doesnt happen in lowsec. So if anything starts kiting you you are dead. But its still mostly the faction frigs (why ever fly a enyo over a comet), gds (cause op) and dictors to a lesser degree (they are the shipcall t3ds killed, at leats in lowsec) that dominate the small meta. |
W0lf Crendraven
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Posted - 2016.12.26 00:03:41 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:I miss flying assault frigates. I also agree that some kind of EWAR immunity (or at least bonus against) would be a decent addition, perhaps some kind of immunity to neuts.
But the entire role needs to be redefined in my opinion.
A straight upgrade to tank/DPS is a poor 'role' for fleets. It immediately obsoletes anything smaller and infringes on anything larger in class. I'd like to see an entirely new fleet role for the AF to fill.
Especially because of the constant inflation, a plex used to be 300 million and it was much harder to earn isk, so the difference between 200k and 20million isk for a t1 and t2 frigate actually meant something, nowadays for whatever reason the t2 frigate still is 20 million but isk is so easy to make that there is no real monetary reason to not use t2. |
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